Haynes Flutes Serial Number
My favorite tech tells me that he has a Haynes flute with plateau keys and the following description: 'Drawn tone hole, offset G, C foot. Sterling throughout. No model number on flute'.
He didn't provide the serial number in his email but I have asked and I know that I can determine the year in which it was made from that information. But is there a way to determine the model? Maybe the absence of a model number is a clue in itself, similar to vintage Buffet R13 clarinets bearing no model number (just wondering). All suggestions welcome. There is no model number as they only really made 2 basic models, drawn or soldered tone holes (different keywork) in open or closed hole.
The one you mention should say 'the Wm. S Haynes Flute' and have a serial number below that. The better ones were after about 14,000 and have the low C# spatula rather than 2 foot rollers. From serial number 20,000-30,000 tend to be the ones people like. These are great doubler's flutes and heavy. Really good condition (new pads, no marks) should be in the $1,500 range and needing work about $800. Well I like Bill McBirnie's tone and he is still using his Haynes flutes from the early 70's.
They were some of the best flutes available when he bought them I'm sure and over the years he has worked out the nuances to play it in tune. But it does seem to me that the changes made to flutes over the last 20 years or so, have probably improved the quality of the tone one can achieve, and achieve it easier. I don't think players like Galway would have dumped their Haynes flute unless they were going to something that improved their playing. My first Haynes was a standard model I had in 1969. AT the time I found that it was a great flute and dark sounding (they were.018') but with time, I found the heads a bit lacking compared to modern ones, even from large makers.
Haynes 37xxx serial number flute made in the late 1960s: solid silver handmade model with open tone holes, in-line G, and B foot joint. Classic Haynes core sound and excellent mechanical condition. Flute has been set-up by The Flute Center of New York. Re: Identifying a Haynes flute Rampal's flute was in this serial range 1958 (27242 - 28333). As far as the other guys statement, if you like Galway's tone & concept, well, thats great, thats the 'modern' sound, I suppose. WM.S Haynes Co. Has been providing 125 years of exquisite flute making. Contact us today.
I get older Haynes and Powell heads and just have trouble selling them as even a standard modern sterling head tends to play better. I can even turn out a $300 head that sells better than the vintage Boston ones. Different story with their newer heads but they tend to be expensive. An alternative to the Haynes would be an H. Bettoney which can be found with good pads for under $700 and the real winner is the old Sterling Selmer US flutes that are common with military markings.
These are usually in the.020.022' range and really powerful. Also can be found in mint condition for about $1,000 or less. I wouldn't go much over $1,200 for any of the Haynes standards as you can find a nice Yamaha with the plated keys for less and it probably will play quite well. Rampal's flute was in this serial range 1958 (27242 - 28333).
As far as the other guys statement, if you like Galway's tone & concept, well, thats great, thats the 'modern' sound, I suppose. He played a Haynes when he was a young guy & learned the right way to play, then gravitated towards a brighter sound & equipment that let him achieve the concept he heard in his head. (In my Link analogy, the same could be said about Mike Brecker's gravitating to high baffle, after playing Links earlier in his career-in his case, because of his throat condition) The point is, Galway could play an old Haynes & believe me, it wouldn't sound dull or lifeless (or outta tune), cuz he KNOWS how to play one. So many players use pre-cooper scale & have NO problems.
Gary Schocker, Lew Tabackin, play pre-cooper hayneses. Probably 80% of the Broadway woodwind doublers in NY use pre-cooper Hayneses & Powells, with no problem. Cooper scale, if you play in today's symphony orchestras, would make you life more easy, but in almost all other cases.Ya don't need it! Well I like Bill McBirnie's tone and he is still using his Haynes flutes from the early 70's. They were some of the best flutes available when he bought them I'm sure and over the years he has worked out the nuances to play it in tune. Free workshop manual for peugeot 106 quicksilver. But it does seem to me that the changes made to flutes over the last 20 years or so, have probably improved the quality of the tone one can achieve, and achieve it easier. I don't think players like Galway would have dumped their Haynes flute unless they were going to something that improved their playing.
I just ran across three YouTube videos of Bill McBirnie recorded in 2006 in Toronto: I certaintly cannot say which flute he was playing but I will be more than happy create such a nice sound on an old Haynes. Let us know how it goes. I went to a shop with $3000 to buy a 1957 custom Haynes and after comparing it to a 1979 Muramatsu they had, and even my 1985 Mateki I wanted to trade in, couldn't bring myself to fork over the $$$.
Haynes Flute Serial Number 24068
There turned out to be 4 Haynes flutes in playable condition: the 1933, 1953, 1958 and 1961. The last one (ser no 30xxx) played the best for me by far, esp. The upper register which speaks clearly and easily. The others had good looking pads and no obvious leaks, although they may have required some adjustments. The 1961 model is sterling silver throughout with gold springs, drawn tone holes, plateau keys, inline G and C foot and is in excellent condition.
I now have it at home on trial for a few days. We didn't dwell pricing but it appears that it can be had for around $2,200 US, which will likely be the minimum starting bid on eBay. There turned out to be 4 Haynes flutes in playable condition: the 1933, 1953, 1958 and 1961. The last one (ser no 30xxx) played the best for me by far, esp. The upper register which speaks clearly and easily.
The others had good looking pads and no obvious leaks, although they may have required some adjustments. The 1961 model is sterling silver throughout with gold springs, drawn tone holes, plateau keys, inline G and C foot and is in excellent condition. I now have it at home on trial for a few days. We didn't dwell pricing but it appears that it can be had for around $2,200 US, which will likely be the minimum starting bid on eBay.
$2200 is quite high as Bruce said. I paid $1200 for my '41 Haynes and $1700 for my '61- both commercial models. $2200 is quite high as Bruce said. I paid $1200 for my '41 Haynes and $1700 for my '61- both commercial models. Thanks for the comments.
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I'm in the process of investigating the asking prices of comparable models from other sources. Just curious about the condition of your instruments when you purchased them - i.e., was there an additional cost for COA, repadding, or overhaul? And I'm wondering to what extent the price of silver might affect pricing. Although Ag has recently 'crashed', dropping 35% since the end of April, it is still 4x what it was only 2.5 years ago.